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Faith Worley's avatar

Wow. The buzzing of thoughts in your brain and the needs of your body just completely suspended? It strikes me as being fully grounded – kind of like the long minutes after birth where mother and baby are still connected by the umbilical cord (which fortifies baby with a supply of red blood cells to hold them over while their own red blood cell production gets going). A profound experience, unquestionably, but it makes sense to me that it wouldn’t be a particularly ecstatic experience, by virtue of its distinctly grounding, as opposed to heady, nature.

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Joe Panzica's avatar

Reading this, I kept waiting for you to drop the “K” bomb, and I don’t know whether I’m relieved or disappointed you didn’t type “kenosis”. (I probably could not have resisted.

I’m sure there are bales of worthwhile studies and speculations not just about how 16th-20th century Westerners (Christians) misinterpreted or deliberately distorted what they learned from informants (perhaps unreliable ones and perhaps intentionally so) about aboriginal religion, but ALSO about how interactions with European “sages” contaminated native spiritual practices and beliefs.

Still, interrogating practitioners of “primitive” (non imperial) “religions” has been the basis for a lot of potentially worthwhile anthropological investigations of some of the origins of what we call ”spiritual’ experiences.” I just finished a cursory first reading of Ernst Cassirer’s “Language and Myth” (Eight bucks cheap from Amazon) where he incorporates some of that early research along with interpretative speculation that other German philologists built upon such work. Again, language and consciousness are entangled in a certain view of human cultural development. And in this view the entanglement also involves “spiritual experiences” and more.

“In the beginning was ‘the word’” is an irresistible reference, but it’s not meant to be taken literally because in the beginning was the everything and nothing of preconsciousness . It’s all about attention and a strange (basic?) form of duality. To focus on one “thing” whether it be the dawn, a tree, a single step in the process of toolmaking, or the curve of another human body is BY its NATURE (or “definition” if you will) to exclude everything else from consciousness. To give that ‘thing’ or ‘entity’ a “name” helps keep it as a retrievable and manipulatable memory. But to give that thing a “name” invests it with a perception that it too may have awareness, and therefore may too have agency so eventually, the dawn, the tree, the step in the process, the aspect of a human body becomes like a sprite, a demon, a trickster, a “god.” But before that is that flickering back and forth switching from one single entity to the entire cosmos that contains the entity (maybe just a pretty rock) which in turn appears to represent, reflect, and even include in ITSELF the entire cosmos. (Or something.)

And as Robyn Hitchcock sang in his paean to “Penelope’s Angles”

“I am not a yam”

“I am not I am”

“I am not a yam”

“Not yet.”

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